Ichigo vs GJ fight : Ichiruki? or Ichihime?

                Ichiruki's and Ichihime's are debating whether Ichigo's fight with GJ at the HM was for Rukia or for Orihime.

..here's what they used to say about this...

"If he wasn't fighting for Orihime then what the hell was that "Please don't get hurt anymore" shout for? And what the hell was the point of him turning into a monster to protect Orihime? Right, because he was fighting for his nakama. And since Orihime was the one he was saving he was fighting for Orihime > end.\"


"It's not the same for Grimmjow. He comes to HM to fight him, not because he wanted to save Orihime more than anything else, but because he dares to hurt Rukia. It's written in the Databook. You can't change the facts to fit your thoughts."

My Analysis

" If he wasn't fighting for Orihime then what the hell was that "Please don't get hurt anymore" shout for?"

                I believe that the "Please don't get hurt anymore" shout from Orihime is to let Ichigo know that she cares for him.It's for Ichigo to know that Orihime still see him as a friend even though he has a hollow side of him.That scene won't prove that Ichigo really is fighting for Orihime.Please read here for more explanation.

"And what the hell was the point of him turning into a monster to protect Orihime? Right, because he was fighting for his nakama. And since Orihime was the one he was saving he was fighting for Orihime > end.\"


               Hmm,I can understand why some people might think that Ichigo is fighting for Orihime,since Orihime is the one who was there,and is the one that they came to rescue.However,in this case,just because Orihime is the one who was there,it doesn't automatically mean that the fight is actually meant for her sake.Why?


point 1


               Ichigo accepted GJ's invitation for a fight in the beginning even without using Orihime or Nel to provoke him.This clearly shows that Orihime is definitely not the reason why Ichigo is fighting with GJ.In case you wanted to check it out for yourself,please read the chapter Heal For The Crash


point 2


               GJ wasn't there to stop Ichigo from rescuing Orihime,he only wanted to fight with Ichigo.He didn't brought Orihime to use her as a hostage,he only brought her for this purpose...

                GJ needs her to heal Ichigo's wound,so they could fight on equal ground.GJ never showed any intention of using her AND Nel as a bait,until this...

               GJ uses Orihime AND Nel as a bait to provoke Ichigo to use his hollow form,and not to provoke him to fight with him,because Ichigo is already fighting with him,though not in his full strength.  


and this...

                 ...doesn't mean that Ichigo is fighting with GJ to protect Orihime AND Nel.Ichigo is protecting Orihime AND Nel,because GJ is using them as a bait for him to do what he wants (fight him with all his might).Don't be confused,GJ would never use Orihime AND Nel to provoke Ichigo if only he wasn't being stubborn not use his hollow form.


                Why do you think Ichigo is being stubborn not to use his hollow form as much as possible?Some people used to think like this...


"again i think she is reading too much btween lines, ichigo knew he needed to keep his energy if he wanted to be able to save orihime (as an ichihime i could easily say "u can see he is more interested in saving orihime cuz he thinks everything carefuly, he is too scared to make a mistake and then losing orihime" or something like that), he said it himself he needed that energy cuz he needs it to defeat any espada he might find in the way (he used his bankai and mask to attack ulquiorra)so he used his mask like he said he would if he found an espada, another thing is, rukia was going to be executed, while orihime wasn't really in danger, u could say ichigo was in a race against time when he saved rukia"


                Hmm,Ichigo doesn't know Orihime's exact condition,that alone makes me think that he should be more hasty when rescuing Orihime,since with Rukia's he was consistently receiving information about her execution date changes which allows him to know that she'll be safe until that given time.On the other hand,he doesn't know how long does the enemies are going to keep Orihime alive,he doesn't even know the reason why they took her,so...


In any case,I just want to clear something...

               Ichigo,thought that he can only use/control Hollow Ichigo's powers in just a few seconds,until the time is over,he shouldn't use it anymore,why?...

He was afraid of this...

                Ichigo can only use that power within few seconds.Until that given time limit,he has the possibility of losing himself,not Orihime (sigh).That's why Ichigo didn't want to use that power as much as possible.



point 3 



"i am not saying he didn't want to defeat grim for what he did too rukia, i agree with that, but i don't think that was one of the reasons why he go to hueco mundo, while he was there he wanted to defeat grim because of rukia sure, but the reason why he went to hueco mundo was because of orihime, pretty sure if she wasn't kidnaped he would have waited for the winter war to defeat grimjow, if orihime wasn't kidnapen i don't believe ichigo was going to go to hueco mundo just to defeat grim for what he did to rukia"

Ichigo : I did come here to fight you,and to defeat you GJ.

               Is there anything that can be clearer than that?Ichigo said that himself,he went to HM to fight and to defeat GJ.It's so simple to understand,eh?He means,his desire to fight and to defeat GJ was already there before he went to HM.Why do  you think so?For what reason?There's only ONE reason,and that is because of Rukia.

               Since he was going there to save Orihime,he could also use that chance to fight and to defeat GJ.Although,I agree that Ichigo might wait for the Winter War to defeat GJ,since he was still training to become stronger.However,because Orihime was kidnapped,he AND the rest of the NAKAMAS are forced to go to the HM immediately,to rescue her.It is not Ichigo ALONE,which shows that it was just a NORMAL thing for a NAKAMA to do,and it doesn't automatically means that she is more important than Rukia.Orihime is the main reason why he AND the NAKAMAS went to HM,I agree.However,saying that avenging Rukia's injuries that was done by GJ is not one of his reasons for coming there,is absolutely contradicting that revelation from Ichigo himself,don't you think?ヽ（´ー｀）┌

               However,whether Orihime is the main reason for him (AND the NAKAMAS) to come,or he still have another reasons for coming there...

But the argument that really caught my attention here,is this...

"if u read that part of the manga grimm talks about rukia "i tore ur nakama etc etc" grim notices he didn't got the reaction he wanted and then grim says "even tho she isn't physicaly hurt her injuries are from the inside" (or something like that) ichigo reacts screaming "what did u do to her?" and grim says "that's the face i wanted to see!" so u could say orihime had a bigger impact than rukia on ichigo that time (u can read that part of the manga if u don't believe me)"

Ichigo reacts screaming? O.o

               Based from what I am seeing,Ichigo is definitely not screaming,don't you think?More on,Ichigo is surprised/shocked to hear that information,because he never thought of those possibilities.Obviously,he isn't thinking that much about Orihime's well being,hence he didn't realized that things like that could happen to her.He's only concern about her physical safety.If I were going to show proofs for Ichihime,I would definitely not going to choose this particular scene,because this scene only showed Ichigo's lack of concern for Orihime's well being.

"so u could say orihime had a bigger impact than rukia on ichigo that time"


               Is there anything that can prove her assumptions that Orihime have a bigger impact on Ichigo compared to Rukia?As far as I can see,Rukia's importance/impact/BOND with Ichigo is the thing that is consistently being emphasized in BLEACH up until now.

let's see...

Ichigo thinks of UlquiYammy,and got sad.

Ichigo thinks of GJ,and he got angry,really angry.


...for those who won't acknowledge that GJ is actually the one that made Ichigo really angry...


Yammy hurts Chad,Tatsuki and Orihime (cough) Ichigo's implied love interest (cough). 
GJ hurts Rukia.
Ichigo went to the Vizaards and trained.


The Arrancar's 2nd attack...

.Both Yammy and GJ are there,right?

...yet...

                  Ichigo looked for GJ instead of Yammy who hurt Orihime (Chad and Tatsuki),that's interesting.I thought Ichigo is more affected with Orihime's injuries?

As if that's not enough...

                  Ichigo didn't put Yammy along with the lists of the enemy that he wanted to defeat,hmm....that's so much of a coincidence.Although,I think it's either KT just forget to mention Yammy at the HM GrimmIchi fight,it can be also because he wasn't emphasizing that fight so much compared to GrimmIchi fight.

                  In any case,Ichigo didn't gave in when GJ mentioned Rukia,because he knew that GJ is just provoking him to hollowfy,and he doesn't want to do it.I have explained it already,as to why Ichigo didn't want to use his hollow form as much as possible.Also,notice that Ichigo didn't hollowfy either even after hearing what GJ said about Orihime's true condition.Sure,he reacted after hearing the news,but that's because it is something that he never expected to happen (though I think he really should,especially,if he's in love with the girl,he'd be more paranoid as to what may happen to her in the hands of the enemies),while Rukia's injuries is nothing new to him.Please re-read the chapter "Jugulators 2"Ichigo hollowfied when GJ tries to hurt Orihime AND Nel.

                  GJ uses them not because he thinks that Orihime is special to Ichigo,but because he knew that Ichigo didn't want anyone of his nakamas getting hurt.

just like what Ichigo did here...

Ichigo uses his bankai after Dorondi provokes him by using Nel.

and...

After realizing that Dorondi is really serious for using Nel to provoke him to use all his powers...

Ichigo did this...

Ichigo hollowfied for Nel's sake.

...another argument...

"ichigo is losing + orihime "don't die kurosaki-kun, just don't hurt urself anymore + i am not allowed to get more injuries + ichigo start winning = happened because of rukia WTF!"


ichigo is losing + orihime "don't die kurosaki-kun, just don't hurt urself anymore + i am not allowed to get more injuries + ichigo start winning?Really?...can we take a look at what happened there again?

                That is what happened after the "Don't die Kurosaki kun" speech from Orihime,GJ only felt being insulted by Ichigo,because of his bad performance,did that person just forget that scene for some reason?Also...

                Did she see those scenes?Ichigo never started winning,right?Ichigo did gained a bit of determination to win,it's true...unfortunately,it didn't gave him enough strength to defeat GJ.What is it that gave him enough strength to defeat GJ?

It was this...

               Ichigo won that fight after putting all his determination to defeat GJ after admitting his true intention,that he really came to fight and to defeat him,which is obviously because of Rukia.What else is the reason?When he said he came there to fight and to defeat him,simply means that his desire to defeat him,comes from the time before he enters the HM,am I right?And Rukia is the only one who was hurt by GJ in the Human World.Or is it because Ichigo just want to fight?Don't make me laugh harder...^.^....

               When Ichigo said that he was the same as GJ,Ichigo isn't talking about the "loves to fight" thingy.What Ichigo means there,is this...

                Ichigo is saying that he also wants to win,just like how GJ wants to win,so they are the same.They both want to win the fight,but there should only be one who can claim the victory.And why does Ichigo wants to win?

To be able to do this...

               Based from everything that happened,it's obvious that Ichigo's intention to defeat GJ,is primarily because of Rukia,it was his true intention,he even confirmed it by saying that he came there to defeat GJ.If we are going to talk as to,how did he won that fight,or what gave him the determination to won that fight...it is because he admitted his true purpose of fighting with GJ (which is,again...because of Rukia),and the current situation (Orihime and Nel was with them,so GJ can use them to provoke him,and the nakamas who were still fighting) only adds up to the reason,as to why he really needs to win that fight.And he did won the fight with just one swing of his sword against the leveled up GJ,and with his already broken hollow mask (which was supposed to lessen his strength),though he was having trouble while fighting with him,even when his mask was on.             

My Analysis's result

Ichigo vs GJ = done for Rukia.

Ichigo's reason's to defeat GJ at the HM = all the nakama.